Srs Bsnss HoN

[_Apple_]

Denying and last hitting are probably the most well known skills in HoN/DotA, but it does take skill to become good.

It is when you 'last hit' a creep to make sure you get the money / exp for that creep.

Whereas 'denying' is where you kill your own ally creep to 'deny' the opponent of money / exp   (a denied creep gives significantly less experience than a creep that wasn't denied)

[Virally Yours]

Why would you attack friendly creep if there's an enemy hero nearby? If possible shouldn't you just kill him/hurt him/scare him off?

[Maguile]

You can only deny your creep if they have a very small amount of health remaining. You try to do this while last hitting your own creeps jus to try and min/max your exp/gold while trying to "deny" as much as possible to the enemy heroes. You do still harass the enemy heroes and go for early game ganks if possible, denying is just something that you do while laning.

[_Apple_]

Well that is definately a strategy used. Typically one lane will consist of a 'babysit' type hero. Who tries to harass the other team and heal up the ally in the lane. While his ally would be a 'carry' hero, who needs all the money he can get. Carries want to get the last hits to gain money and exp, while a babysitter does not need as much money.
Early game, you cant dish out a lot of damage at once, so it is best to try to gain the upper hand by outleveling your opponent, by denying. Then when you reach a higher level (even as early as level 3) people begin to harass more. While still trying to gain the money from last hits.

Early game, last hits and denies are really important. A creep typically gives between 30-50 gold, while a hero gives around 200. If there are 5 creeps per wave, that is still between 150 - 250 gold + the experience.

PS: forgot to fully describe denying, yea it can only happen when a ally creep has less than half health.



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[Kanji]

I'm still confused as to why everyone's letting Virally think the game is balanced by the concept of heroes countering other heroes.

[Despero]

I'm still confused as to why everyone's letting Virally think the game is balanced by the concept of heroes countering other heroes.

It's in relation to how he was arguing that certain hero types are overpowered to the point where the games broken when in reality it balances out for the most part.  Nit picking the balances is easier then listing "Why this game is good".

[Virally Yours]

My point was that most of who wins is based on the hero they pick. I argue that some heroes are better than others, which dictates who you can play as well as dictates who loses based on whom they pick. In a situation where it's hero vs. counter hero, that still is fundamentally the same cause and effect. Someone picked the better hero, the other person lost. It was not how many times someone lasthit or denied, it was because someone picked a certain hero, i.e., the win was predetermined and therefore not skillful.

[Trazgo]

The highest win% for a single hero is 56.9%, the lowest is 42.1%.  I'd say that's reasonably balanced, although it's still Beta so they are free to tweak the high/low heroes.

Source: http://honstats.heroku.com/?sort_by=percent_win&sort_dir=DESC


Also, the majority of the game is about positioning in my opinion.  It doesn't matter if you have the best hero if the other team gangbangs you every 2 minutes because you were too far down the lane.  At the same time if you hang back like a pansy you get no gold while the other team gets plenty of it from killing creeps.  I'll admit the game doesn't have the highest skill ceiling in the world, but it still is more about your tactics than your hero.  Don't get me wrong, a balanced team helps a lot, but a team structure is more about how you plan to play (Early Pushing, Late-Game Domination, Ganking everyone until your team is vastly more powerful than the oppositon, etc.) than it is about having the most powerful heroes.

If one team has Jereziah, Swiftblade, Madman, Behemoth, and Soul Reaper they will rape anyone that tries to beat them late game or who tries to push early, but a Ganking team (with Electrician to counter Jere) will beat them.

[Virally Yours]

All else equal, who picked the "right" hero wins. If someone with the better hero is demonstrably outplayed, then that's assuming a skill discrepancy, therefore the analysis biased.

[oENDERo]

All else equal, who picked the "right" hero wins. If someone with the better hero is demonstrably outplayed, then that's assuming a skill discrepancy, therefore the analysis biased.

A good point, actually we won't have real, reliable statistics about hero win percentages until matchmaking comes out. (If that happens any time soon)

[Kanji]

(If that happens any time soon)

March.

[oENDERo]

March.

=D
+1 to my day's happiness level.

[_Apple_]

=D
+1 to my day's happiness level.

Ur geyt

[oENDERo]

Ur geyt

just a little sweetheart.
You coming over later? ;]

[chrisinajar]

All else equal, who picked the "right" hero wins. If someone with the better hero is demonstrably outplayed, then that's assuming a skill discrepancy, therefore the analysis biased.

In Diablo II, if you want to PvP, you should pick a PvP class. In TF2 class selection plays a massive role in how you play.

Name a game to me with classes where the class that you select doesn't actually matter at all, and you liked it.

[Supernaut]

OK if I pick Sagat in SF4 I have a much greater chance at winning no matter how bad I am vs someone just as bad if they pick some one like chun-li or what have you. IF we both button mash my character is better then i win, I am saying this b/c no game is perfectly balanced and it is all a matter of perception. I dislike most RPGs as I see them as unskilled piles of bs and shit, but if I can still kill you even though your a higher lvl b/c I am better then I think it is balance.  That is why I play HON and not WOW if I am pro skills but some faggot lvled for 10 hours instead of having a life he will win no matter what I do. I can still kill people if they are above me b/c I use team work and skill, so that is in my opinion balanced.

[oENDERo]

Triple post of the year:

Cheez-Its are fucking bomb.

Okay, so at school, i went to the vending machine and saw white cheddar cheez-its and wanted to buy them. their number? C4.

I fucking lol'ed because i thought about this post.

Bro Story Cool! =D

[Supernaut]

Rage: I was playing by myself and I got Kraken and I was doing fine in my lane i wasn't ganking but I have a nice stead farm so then the guy in my lane just starts yelling at me even though he is doing nothing in anyway. So whatever we do ok and what not I get my ulti and all and am ready to gank and pull but every time i did my ulti which I landed every time none of my teammates did anything they just had their dicks in their hands. the Soul Reaper i was laning with would do nothing but his ult and then complain out us not killing anyone that and we had a dc and a scout who only farmed. but this guy blamed everyone for his failure and it was annoying thankful the scout helped me troll him a bit.