Author Topic: Mic spamming/class limits WE NEED INPUT (Read 1342 times)

band-aid · « **on:** June 01, 2009, 05:15:20 am »

Alright ladies and gentlemen we've got a couple of issues that need to be straightened out. First I'd like to talk about class limits. As usual, there was a recent influx of snipers and spies due to the update. Occasionally, a A/D or Payload map will grid to a halt due to a wall of 4-5 engineers, pyro's, Demomen etc. I've heard several people mention that they would like class restrictions put in place. The issue with this is that it is restrictive on people that want to play their favorite classes (hence the name). To remedy this Chris and I are going to try to modify the plugin so that users with a rank above 50 or so will not be affected. What opinions do you have about this? Anyone have any other ideas?

Second thing I'd like to discuss is mic spamming. Its become quite an issue in the past few days. Probably has something to do with people getting out of school, etc. Worms and I created this server with the main purpose being to have fun and be hilarious. Clearly, some of the sound files, songs etc can be quite good, but everything needs to be in moderation. Another problem is we have accumulated some regulars that frankly will not stop talking. Same situation applies here. Its funny until you have to hear the same guy say the same phrase in the same voice over and over and over again. This problem is a bit tougher to solve. I really don't want this to turn into one of "those servers" that has a massive ban list and crazy strict rules. We're kicking around some ideas one of which is to hand out mute abilities to a large quantity of regulars and seeing how that affects the situation. I am cautious to do this because I have seen clans/guilds/etc. torn apart because one member muted/kicked another member which resulted in a gigantic fight that ended up affecting everyone. I don't see that happening here, mainly because we're all so amazing, but you never know. Another option would be a !votemute system so that a majority of players can silence that one asshat. The problem of this is when you get an alliance of people that hold a majority or a near majority at the current time muting/kicking/banning legitimate players. This is the reason I have been hesitant to put !vote<verb> on the server.

So maggots, any input? I'm open to any suggestions.

P.S. We will NOT be putting a password on the server... that's just silly.

@Chris, project #2 needs to be adding persistence to the mute via MySQL.

Ihaveworms · « **Reply #1 on:** June 01, 2009, 05:24:48 am »

I have an idea for a vote mute. To prevent squads from coming in and votemuting people in a server, we can implement a plugin that will only count votes if you are in the top 500, 1000, or 1500~ in the server. This will give people that actually play on the server the ability to mute people in game.

Supernaut · « **Reply #2 on:** June 01, 2009, 05:27:16 am »

Hmm nice idea there worms. And I am sorry if my mic spamming is on your nerves but I am always trying to get new and original stuff. Also I the class caps will be fine as long as that 50 thing works. Nice work gentlemen.

smitty · « **Reply #3 on:** June 01, 2009, 05:38:26 am »

No password. Enact class restrictions. Enable votemute. Server wins.

Kenkaze · « **Reply #4 on:** June 01, 2009, 06:02:59 am »

basically what Smitty said but also put in votekick or something in case of AFKs.
Sometimes it is fun to have a team of battle spies when we're just messing around.

Kanji · « **Reply #5 on:** June 01, 2009, 06:07:32 am »

Super, I don't think your mic spam ever really bugs anyone. I'd say its more the Final Fantasy Girugamesh remixes that some people play at the end of every freaking round.

As for handing out the muting abilities, I'd say you should at least try it and see how it works out. Given to a handful or responsible regulars, I would think it to be a little more full proof than putting in vote mute. Between the people who do have it, I really dont think its realistic that anyone would cause a conflict. I cant think of any regulars that would have a reason be muted, or any two of us that don't get along, for that matter.

Class limits would be great. Not much dispute there.

Pedobear · « **Reply #6 on:** June 01, 2009, 06:22:38 am »

Ok so if we arent going to get a pass. what about a bot that can ban and such? and also on class limits how high do we have to be on the list to be immune?

Bobby's Pipes · « **Reply #7 on:** June 01, 2009, 07:43:16 am »

Quote from: Pedobear on June 01, 2009, 06:22:38 am

Ok so if we arent going to get a pass. what about a bot that can ban and such? and also on class limits how high do we have to be on the list to be immune?

Pedobear, before you post, please learn how to read the other posts in the thread.

The class restrictions, if functional, would not apply to those who are in the top 50 positions in the server rankings. And a bot that can ban and such? That would take up a player slot and be incredibly inefficient.

Nameless Rank and File Soldier · « **Reply #8 on:** June 01, 2009, 08:02:21 am »

2-3 (leaning on 2) engies, spys, snipers

the rest I dont see that much of a problem

For mic spammers I cant really pick a side, in some ways i think a pass would be good and some ways i do not

Cheeseomlett · « **Reply #9 on:** June 01, 2009, 08:04:25 am »

Quote from: thebladeofwar on June 01, 2009, 08:02:21 am

2-3 (leaning on 2) engies, spys, snipers

the rest I dont see that much of a problem

For mic spammers I cant really pick a side, in some ways i think a pass would be good and some ways i do not

Engies i can see and maybe like 3 scouts, but spy/sniper is fine for now i think. Piss platoons followed by archer lines are win.

Kanji · « **Reply #10 on:** June 01, 2009, 01:48:46 pm »

This.

http://maggotry.com/forum/index.php/topic,260.0.html

chrisinajar · « **Reply #11 on:** June 01, 2009, 04:28:12 pm »

Well, an update on the class restrictions.... The plugin is modified and in place (e-peen++;), the current values are 3 snipers, 3 spies, and those are obviously up to discussion. We just needed something now. Anyone rank 50 or better will have immunity to those restrictions, so virtually anyone who reads this wont be effected at all.

The rank value is also configurable, so we can also change that if needed. Personally, I think 50 is perfect 50. If you're good and play regularly, you can reach 50 in no time at all. And good regulars and the ones that should have immunity.

Some details on the plugin:
Immunity is calculated at join time and map change, so if you went from 51 to 50 mid round, you must rejoin or wait until map change to be able to exercise you're new awesomeness. The same goes for loosing ranks, you'll still be immune until rejoin or map change.
Immune players are still counted in the totals, if you're playing sniper or spy, only 2 pubbers can go sniper or spy as opposed to 3.
There is currently no way to "assign" immunity to people. I don't know how worth it that would be, I can write it easily enough if the need arises.
All admins also have immunity, regardless of ranks (as if they aren't all in the top 10 anyway. lulz)

Any questions or suggestions for this (or other plugins) are welcome.

Votemute would be awesome, i think votemute with votes only counting from people with rank 200 (or something) and better would be an awesome system. Depending on what you guys think about that, notably what band-aid and worms think about that, I can start writing that tonight. It should take long at all.

In other news, I've recruited another female to the server, my good friend Leanne. She should be playing tonight.

tl;dr = CLASS RESTRICTIONS WORK WITH RANK IMMUNITY TO THE 50 OR BETTER PEOPLE WORKS AND IS WIN. WHO WANTS VOTEMUTE WITH ONLY RANKED PEOPLE BEING ABLE TO VOTE?

Cheeseomlett · « **Reply #12 on:** June 01, 2009, 05:27:12 pm »

/slowclap fo Chris

Drake · « **Reply #13 on:** June 01, 2009, 06:17:39 pm »

My inputs was already given well before the influx of tardation; although I will say that I'm glad I haven't been around the past week otherwise people would be hailing me as the savior or the biggest asshole ever, dependent upon which side of my pimphand they fell on.

chrisinajar · « **Reply #14 on:** June 01, 2009, 06:19:57 pm »

just for reference......

Total Time Played (In Minutes)
Rank   Name   Score
1   [SHENS]smitty   17450
2   [SHENS]thebladeofwar   14690
3   [SHENS]The Australian   12389
4   [SHENS]Maguile   12382
5   [SHENS]chrisinajar   11168
6   [SHENS]Band-aid{OMGOT}   10917
7   [SHENS]Drake   10803
8   [SHENS]Ihaveworms   9305
9   [SHENS]BobThePipeContractor   9048
10   [SHENS]K!LLgasm   8357

Pedobear · « **Reply #15 on:** June 01, 2009, 08:31:50 pm »

Well I am glad to see that this server is at least cared about by a number of people. Also these people are intelligent too and we really dont have to worry about any sort of problem as long as we work together, FIRE, ICE, WIND, WATER, EARTH, HEART! BY YOUR POWERS COMBINED I AM BAND-AID!

chrisinajar · « **Reply #16 on:** June 01, 2009, 09:02:41 pm »

Quote from: thebladeofwar on May 21, 2009, 10:40:09 am

CHRISINAJAR WITH THE POWER OF HEART

Also: I think the rank immunity is an extra awesome idea because of this:

(11:11:56 AM) Me!: last night I wrote a sourcemod plugin to put class limitations on SHENS, with immunity given to people with rank 50 or better

... It's wicked awesome...
(11:14:38 AM) Matt Killed My Parents: i need to get 50 or better now
(11:14:50 AM) Matt Killed My Parents: i like never have more kills than deaths so it's hard
(11:14:54 AM) Matt Killed My Parents: just not my style :p
(11:15:05 AM) Me!: well, i wanna get the ability to assign immunity to people too
(11:15:19 AM) Matt Killed My Parents: eh, i like a challenge

(matt = Jardine, btw)

Rare Endangered Spy Crab · « **Reply #17 on:** June 02, 2009, 12:53:18 am »

I'd have to say that the top 50 idea is genius, it gives the chance to people that have favorite classes (Spah) to be able to play them when they want, not when they are allowed to. BUT I do happen to like class rushes. Also admin privileges should be given to people who are trustworthy and are active players. Thats my input.

Trazgo · « **Reply #18 on:** June 02, 2009, 07:22:29 pm »

I like the idea of class restrictions not affecting the top 50, probably because I'm in it and biased, but I try to pick a class the team needs anyways.

I agree that votemute should require some kind of rank threshold because lately the micspammers come in groups and it would be tough to out-vote them otherwise.

Orangeforce · « **Reply #19 on:** June 04, 2009, 06:51:01 am »

Well I say that 2 per class is a bit too restricting. 2 for sniper, spy, engie and such but for the more played classes i.e. soldier, scout, pyro should be 3. Just my opinion, commence the hate.

Tetrodotoxin · « **Reply #20 on:** June 04, 2009, 09:54:56 pm »

Agreed, As long as the fifty rule is in place, im going to have to work for it since ive been out of service for awhile. But will the unaffected count words the total count?
As for mic spam, immunity to people who "Good" Spam, just in case a mob tries to take over.

Orangeforce · « **Reply #21 on:** June 05, 2009, 10:21:27 am »

Well what if someone with good spam comes in but a mob hates on him? How can we make that guy immune?

Bobby's Pipes · « **Reply #22 on:** June 05, 2009, 10:44:41 am »

With Jesus juice. Duh. It works like Jarate.

chrisinajar · « **Reply #23 on:** June 05, 2009, 04:55:27 pm »

I think what would be better than giving immunity to votemute, would be to only count votes from people of X rank or better... It would be win.

EDIT: Last couple of times i've been on, it hasn't been bad. I think the class limits may have actually scared the faggots away.

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Author Topic: Mic spamming/class limits WE NEED INPUT (Read 1342 times)